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Stamp - Not Feminine by foxlee Stamp - Not Feminine by foxlee
Oh dear, I made more XD

So apparently there's a stamp out there which reads "Feminine, NOT Feminist". As if that's anything to be proud of! Anti-feminists shit me, especially female ones. How can a woman be against a movement which exists to give her the right to have an opinion? Without feminism, you wouldn't be able to voice dissent, let alone put it on a stamp on the internet. So shut the hell up! XP

Anyway, this is my response. There's nothing wrong with being feminine, of course, but it shits me when people assume that "female" and "feminine" are the same thing. Get it straight people!

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ColossalDick Featured By Owner 2 days ago  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Just because you aren't a feminist doesn't mean you're against it, holy shit.
Art-Spider Featured By Owner 6 days ago  New Deviant Hobbyist Digital Artist
I'm for female rights but I don't call myself a feminist. 'Feminism' has turned from equal rights for women to female supremacy in a lot of places, including where I live, and It's not something I want to label myself as. 
Escurotia Featured By Owner Sep 27, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
So true! using
yugiohfangirl8 Featured By Owner Sep 24, 2015
Great rant, totally agree!! xD
FriendlyHougen Featured By Owner Sep 20, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Using. I get called a boy a whole lot for having a deeper voice.
stefanythebat Featured By Owner Sep 9, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Zillytehkitteh Featured By Owner Edited Aug 31, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes. Definitely true.
I never put on makeup, dresses, skirts, or wear bows in my hair or anything like that. I wear clothes that aren't too brightly colored.
It's weird to some people but not to me. ^^ I'm not very feminine but I kind of act like it XD
I honestly don't care how I look. Whatever I pick to wear, I'm happy with it. I don't intend to look pretty or anything like that. :3
SabryDfirework02 Featured By Owner Aug 29, 2015
Haha this is so me!
I never wear things like make-up, skirts, dresses... while some people, in my opinion, often do this to get noticed by boys...
I don't care about be attractive, I mean I'm just a kid ^^;
Thesleepinglion813 Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2015
Love it. It is now my life. Heart 
Aquila-S-Griffith Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2015  New Deviant Hobbyist Digital Artist
Diechromatic Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2015
Is there a "male - not masculine" version? PPppplleeeease?
ZealousBeast Featured By Owner Jul 10, 2015
That's me. 
ANIMAXDAISUKI Featured By Owner Jul 3, 2015
Um.. my classmate are calling me "tomboy" but I didn't get their point. I try to think but it was unknown
BTW I like that stamp ;) (Wink) 
rademon Featured By Owner Jul 2, 2015
Is there a "feminime not female" stamp? Some people like dressing girly but do not present as female. (example: a person who presents as male but prefers to wear dresses/skirts.)
However, I love this stamp.
Daghrgenzeen Featured By Owner May 31, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Sometimes I try to appear more feminine, wearing dresses, skirts, high-heels, make-up... just for the fun of it, or to try seduce my fiancé. I know it makes him happy too if I put some effort into my appearance, and frankly his reactions make me happy as well. But mostly I'm all for the comfort clothes: if I know I'll have to be outside waiting for a bus or whatever, and it's raining dogs and cats and it's also cold, I'm not going to put on a skirt and a fancy shirt... I'll dress up in clothes that'll keep me warm. During winter, I won't bother with jeans for school: it's trousers and hoodies for me then, and definitely no high-heels. :P If I'm at home, I might as well put on those baggy trousers and even borrow my fiance's shirt, doesn't matter if I have guests or not: if I feel like wearing such 'tomboy' clothes, then that's what I'll wear. :P (For the sake of decency I might put on a bra unless it's just my fiance or family members around. :lmao: ) Anyway, nice stamp!
florelina123 Featured By Owner May 3, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
irwingreylord Featured By Owner Apr 25, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
I really don't like when feminists become/are unfeminine in their quest
Foxette-Faynge Featured By Owner Feb 17, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
I think women start decrying feminism when the certain types of nazi-anti-men-spell-it-womyn-to-avoid-using-'man' extremists make a bad name for the feminist movement and take the image from the fight for equality of the fight for superiority of women. :/

They're not actually implying that women shouldn't be equal.
LaPequenaChicana Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2015  Student Traditional Artist
female not feminine so true
Mann-of-LaMancha Featured By Owner Edited Jan 23, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Some females don't believe in feminism because they believe they had rights long before feminism came along. My grandmother was one such individual. She was a "flapper" in the days of early feminism and thought feminism was a ridiculous notion.

Feminists are a lot like unions. Unions think unless you are a member, you don't have worker's rights. Likewise, feminists think without feminism, women don't have rights.
That's an absurd notion.
Chrolune Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
If it wasn't for feminists - including male feminists - women would not have rights at all. Feminism has been around long before any of us - including your grandmother - was born, and it started as early as the 1700's. However, the term "feminist" and "feminism" wasn't introduced until 1895, if I am correct. It was a simple act to defend women's rights, when most men would have preferred for them to be barefoot and pregnant, nothing more and nothing less.

So, with stating all that is above - no one is really correct. We don't know what happened back then, only what was written. No one can state, "if there wasn't feminism, women would be right where they are today" and be correct, because honestly no one knows.
Mann-of-LaMancha Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, you're right, "no one honestly knows what happened back then", because it isn't like we have history books and newspapers to catalog our social trends, developments and issues.

Yet, it's strange that in the same breath that you say "no one  knows what it was like back then," yet you seem firm in the 'rationale' that feminism was needed back then. Which means you know what happened back then, because why would you follow a movement that was started for reasons unknown?

I won't deny that there have been some inept lawmaking, but inept lawmaking isn't exclusive to 100's or even 50 years ago and was usually the result of political bumble fingers and unprecedented changes in society, not male supremacy exerting itself over women. Did some men step into the vacuum and take advantage of the situation? Yes, but again this isn't exclusive to 100's of years ago nor exclusive to men only.

For the record, my grandmother was born in 1902 and died in 2002 and thus "feminism" was only around for about 10 years before my grandmother and therefore it is arguable that it has been around "long" before her.

However, why stop at the 1700's? In ancient Spartan, women typically owned the household and thus could hold equal rights. Likewise in various cultures and countries, women likewise had the right to own property and/or be considered the head of the household (in ancient Rome and Ireland for instance).

"Feminism was made for women who need to be coddled; who don't know how to stand up for themselves" is what my grandmother used to say. In other words, exactly like a union. 

But feminism isn't about equality. Like the group this stamp is in, it's about female domination. It's about giving MORE THAN equal status to women. My grandmother, who happened to be Irish (but that is of no import), saw herself as an equal to ANY man and didn't need feminism to validate that. She never felt subjugated by men and would likewise give you a heck of a donnybrook if you ever tried to tell her she was. She also never felt the need to step on a man's toes to prove she had rights.
Mann-of-LaMancha Featured By Owner Edited Mar 25, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Chrolune Featured By Owner Mar 24, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
History books aren't anything compared to what really happened and what has been left out. Just because we have such books does not mean we know everything that has happened in the past.

In the same breath, I was pointing out that it seemed feminism was needed. I did not say for a fact that I strictly knew that feminism was needed, it was simply the amount of people who were feminist showed that there was some need for it, otherwise there wouldn't have to be as many men wanting the same equal rights for women. I never said that I followed today's screwed up version of feminism that you've stated in your last paragraph, I follow former feminism which is simply and I quote, "political, economic, and social equality." In many places in America, that kind of thing isn't around for everyone.

I completely agree with that to the fullest, and I have nothing to say on top of what you've said.

Mm, I understand where you are coming from. However, I am referring back to when feminism started, not when the term "feminism" was officially created. It is definitely arguable, yes, depending on which subject you are speaking of.

Ah, yes, I did not do my research on other countries, as I was well beyond sure that feminism has been around for quite some time with other places. America's feminism started I at least know as early as the 1700's, but I'm sure it might even go further back to the 1490's when America was first discovered and people started coming here. Sadly, America was never like other places which I'm sure are so much better and have amazing equality between men and women.

I see. I'm also sure that the term has changed since then, huh? I do say your grandmother is a deep inspiration that you don't need to be in a pitiful group to be strong and independent. I agree, the way she describes is exactly like a union, and sadly that can't be helped.

That, I will argue with you. Feminism, no matter who says differently, is purely about equality. It's more of people who find an amazing term and immediately start distorting it into becoming something that it really isn't. Most women has taken it over the top with this thing, and that by itself is beyond ridiculous. It gives honest, pure feminists a bad name, and causes people to actually lash out at even them. If anyone would take the time to look up what feminism actually meant, they'd see that what it's turned into is not what it's supposed to be. Feminism is literally "the belief that men and women should have equal rights and opportunities," and that's exactly what I believe. Of course, I'm not into any little support group because of it, nor would I ever want to be because anyone who thinks they need to... pardon me for not having a better word... shittalk men are pretty low if you ask me.

Please know, while I am a feminist... I am not one that wants men to walk under me, I want to be seen as how I feel - I am an equal, and I can do almost the exact same things men can do. I'm nothing more, nothing less, and that will never change.
Daghrgenzeen Featured By Owner May 31, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
"History books aren't anything compared to what really happened and what has been left out. Just because we have such books does not mean we know everything that has happened in the past.--" and what has been left out. So well said!
Chrolune Featured By Owner May 31, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Ah- thank you. ^^'
Mann-of-LaMancha Featured By Owner Mar 25, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
By the way, allow me to point out now what I should have pointed out in my first post; I totally get the idea of "female not feminine". What made it a totally different kiddle [sic] of fish, is when feminism was mentioned and the context it was used.

Granted, history books are only a slice of life, but for the most part they are, supposedly, an unbiased accounting based on multiple supported references. I also mentioned newspapers which are likewise supposed to be unbiased though rarely are (even today) though they can relate better about minutia and trivia that doesn't make it into history books. Even then, it is still only a slice of life.

I'm not going to reply to each issue of your reply. I read your reply thoroughly, and I think I get where you are coming from and your stance but perhaps I can cut down on my reply gravely which should make us both happier (it probably won't cut it down but let's see where it goes).

First, I won't address when feminism as a concept first took hold. That was something I was trying to explain in a round about way in my first reply, so let's focus instead on the feminist movement which has a solid beginning and can be clearly defined. Anything else would lead to an endless debate and wouldn't be worth either of our time. Any time I address feminism, I am speaking of the established movement in the U.S.

Second, I see you discussing two concepts at once; you are speaking of "the concept" of feminism, and you are talking about the actual movement. I see the two as very separate entities. Concepts are lofty things, like religion, and ascribe to purity and noble sentiments. The actual movement are where people get involved and has where everyone puts in their two cents. Where suddenly it encompasses much more than the concept and seems that no one can agree with it 100%.
Kind of like the Declaration of Independence and then what each state actually does in interpreting that declaration.

In my past, I have seen more female superiority feminists than equality feminists. Invariably, they all start talking 'equality', but eventually the chink in their armor shows and you see the hidden agenda of them vying for power over men. Supposedly, that's how feminists likewise see everyone else who is against feminism (the concept). Die hard feminists, from first hand accounts and my personal experience, would denounce you as not being a feminist, because you are polite and ask for pardon. Die hard feminists would say "A man wouldn't speak politely and wouldn't ask for forgiveness for speaking frankly, and by asking for it or simply by 'not being as bold as a man' you are going back to the weakness that is (antiquated and not 'modern') woman," and thus working against their movement.

Now to show the chinks in my armor.
Third, let me frankly address one false concept, there can be no equality between men and women... as such. Ultimately, there are differences, and therefore inequalities. Some equalities might exist, though they are usually nebulous concepts; like, men and women can be equally stubborn, though I'm sure one would still argue with the other as to who is more stubborn.

Yes, men are stronger. The average man has more muscle mass, than the average woman. Are there exceptions? Most certainly, though that means they ARE exceptions.
Are some 'expectations' foisted on women? Most certainly, though EQUALLY, men have expectations foisted on them (even and especially in modern days) though we don't talk about expectations of men because men don't typically complain about expectations imposed on them. "Man up!"
Men make more money at their job than a woman. This is one of those things that there isn't a nice answer, but everyone seems to want to dodge that their IS an answer to explain why. Companies are not in business to be fair, they are in business to make money. As such, they will hire a man who is more qualified than another man who is less qualified, OR will pay one man less because of his lack of qualifications over another man. What about women? They can have equal qualifications too, right? That's a sticky question. The ugly truth is; yes they can, and yet, they still HAVE a qualification that all men don't, which makes men MORE desirable to a BUSINESS. Men can't get pregnant. No matter how much a woman can vow never to get pregnant, and that she won't leave her job to take care of her kids, it is still a doubt in the mind of the COMPANY who hires her. That 'doubt' is something completely missing in regards to a man. If anything, a company profits MORE if a man ('s wife) becomes pregnant because he will want more money and will work harder to provide for that child, to the point of ignoring all else except his work, including the child's life (because men don't complain about expectations put on them). That is a bankable (read that as 'MONEY MAKING') commodity that women don't exhibit... as often. Can they? Yes, but it is an exception.

Voting. This is something I originally wrote about in my first reply to you and then erased the ensuing five paragraphs for brevity's sake. Let's see if I can be more succinct this time. Women COULD vote LONG before feminism came along since this country started. This is a fact, though the explanation is lengthy and diverse. The easy way to explain it is that when this country was created, they put forth that one vote per household was fair. Period. Originally, you could not vote if you were renting property (man or woman). Only property owners paid taxes. It is only fair that tax payers could have the power to vote and change the direction this country takes. The trouble is that women didn't own properties, properties were mortgaged by lending institutions to people with jobs, and men usually had the jobs. Doesn't that mean only men could vote then? No, it doesn't. Women could hold properties IF; they were widowed (common during wars or in old age), or if they inherited it. Unless she were married, this meant she, alone, was the property owner and thus could vote.

The trouble with this aspect is two fold. First, voting 50+ years ago, didn't have computers and photo identification to prove citizenship, and therefore a right to vote. As such, they held a stricter scrutiny of who could or couldn't vote. I won't deny that tradition dictated prevalence, but usually a "woman of standing" as a property owner held higher esteem than a common woman who held a property. Thus, common women property owners might have had their right to vote bulldozed over unless they could stand up for themselves. Second, the reason that supports the traditions of the first aspect is that female property owners were a rare thing. I'm not saying it's a good explanation, but it's an explanation of how the tradition began. Remember, America was the first country crazy enough to allow the common people to vote, so this is one of those "vacuums" that I mentioned in my previous reply.

There were a couple of different aspects I was going to go into but I'm getting tired of hearing myself talk, so I doubt you will likely read this far either. You are seemingly young and hope-full I am old and doubt-full. I think we both pretty much see eye to eye on the subject of women's rights, but you want to attach a label to it called 'feminism' which I've always been taught (the movement, not the concept), brought up to believe and found in life, runs contrary to what people do and have done for centuries; get along in an amiable, though inequitable, fashion.

One thing I will relate to you in closing, about a real-life movie made circa 1960's (and set perhaps in the 1940's or 50's? I wish I remembered the title.) that described some hot headed feminist who was heralded as the first (?) woman to go to a U.S. college to get a law degree, and how she had to go before a panel of judges at the end of the picture prior to, or as a process of, her bar exam (granted, it's rather ludicrous attributing truth to liberal Hollyweird, but there it is). All the judges were absent when she appeared, leaving one judge to decide. That judge was a much older woman.
Wait a minute, what?! The feminist was the first woman heralded by feminists to gain a foothold in the male dominated world, but a woman was already there and in fact had a higher station than just a lawyer?!? That would mean she went to college around 1900 and became a lawyer to then a judge! Yes, only SHE wasn't for the feminists movement, so the female judge registers as barely a footnote, if at all, in history.
Game, set and match. Anti-feminists.

It's always been available that women can get a job, and a decent one at that, before feminists. It's always been the practice to push hard against people who wish to get into a "good job" thus proving you had to "work hard to get it." Feminists have sought to circumnavigate that, and any similar practice, to gain a shortcut into better jobs, thereby, being treated better than men; who still have to take the long way.
canttel Featured By Owner May 20, 2015  Hobbyist Artist
longest comment ive seen on deviantart 10/10 would read again xDDDD
YinYangNeko02 Featured By Owner Jan 19, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
ComixThreeSevens Featured By Owner Dec 16, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
Another butt-hurt femi-nazi.
Kiakime Featured By Owner Edited Jan 3, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
...said a shining ray of well-adjusted respect for women, whose sole contributions to this site are game screenshots and posts saying shit like "I hate everything so much"

ComixThreeSevens Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
I post shit like that because of meds I have to take. I'm mentally ill. And I the screenshots that I post? Well, you draw retarded dogs. Do I really need to comment on that? And yes, I have respect for women. But not for idiots like you.
LunaGamerImInPortal Featured By Owner Apr 14, 2015  Student General Artist
dont use mental illness for a exuse.
Kiakime Featured By Owner Edited Jan 3, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
lmao you know "retard" is widely recognized as a slur

gee, tell me more about how feminists are the problem
ComixThreeSevens Featured By Owner Jan 3, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
You have no arguments, so you're gonna target my words instead. Besides, you're a fucking feminist. I'm mentally ill, I may say something stupid when I'm not myself. What's your excuse? You know what, don't even bother with answer. I wish you luck in that awful world that you created for yourself, when the BIG BAD MEN are ruining everything.
Kiakime Featured By Owner Edited Jan 3, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I struggle with PTSD, actually, since you asked, but I don't consider it (or any other mental illness) an excuse for being a hateful human being or using slurs.  All you said was "I have respect for women" when you sound more like a self-centered MRA reject; that didn't even deserve a response.

Continue in your world of the ~evil feminazis~, by all means tell me more about modern America isn't blatantly patriarchal.  People like you don't exactly care about addressing those issues (and the others like them), though, I've noticed.
KasaiDragon Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2015  Student Digital Artist
Its not that women make less money within an occupation. They make less money on average because women tend to seek out jobs they are more likely to enjoy rather than doing it just for money. Because of this, men tend to take on the higher risk jobs such as construction. This is why men are payed more on average; they have more dangerous, undesired jobs.
Kiakime Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
[citation needed]
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azurathewolfcat Featured By Owner Dec 13, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
My old ''friend'' in the school when i was 10 said: ''OMG GIRL,YOU NEED TO BE MORE GIRLY,THOSE DRAWINGS ARE TOO MUCH BLOODY AND BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH,WHY YOU WON'T CAME WITH MAKEUP TO THE SCHOOL??!?!BLAH BLAH BLAH'' i almost shooted her in the head,but i can't do that ;-;
Clockwork-Shadow Featured By Owner Dec 9, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
I'm a tomboy. Much to my mother's distaste. I still love her very much though.
SkeyeStorm Featured By Owner Sep 14, 2014  Hobbyist Artist
Where has this been all my life...
DoctorMLoli Featured By Owner Sep 3, 2014
I fav'd this when I was like 14.  Now I'm super feminine.  
EliTigre Featured By Owner Aug 28, 2014
Thanks for making thiiiis ! :la: choir  No shit, it needed to be said.:wtf:
Vectrexoscope Featured By Owner Aug 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I need a male not masculine stamp D:
TheBlueDreamMaker Featured By Owner Aug 3, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This stamp is me.I am not feminine but that's doesn't mean I forget I am female.
RaphSieg007 Featured By Owner Aug 1, 2014
Yep. This stamp pretty much sums me up in three words! I don't understand why people have such a hard time grasping the concept that you can be a female who is/looks masculine without being gay. Even my own mother says that I look like 'a big butch lesbian' simply because I'd prefer to wear clothes primarily designed for men...
rakaru Featured By Owner Jul 30, 2014
How is saying "Im not a feminist" saying "I am against feminism?" Do you not know the difference between the two?
Lapin-The-Scientist Featured By Owner Nov 21, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
// She's not talking about feminism she's talking about her not being girly //
rakaru Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2014
*cough*"Anti-feminists shit me, especially female ones." This is about feminism*cough*

My question stands.
Lapin-The-Scientist Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
// uh ok //
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